A conversation between an atheist and a Christian:
“Do you believe in yourself?” the atheist asked.
“What kind of question is that?
“People are basically good.”
The christian thought a moment before speaking.” This reminds me of what the Bible says about that. A man had called Jesus a good teacher. Jesus answered back and said: “Why do you call me good? There’s no one good, but God!” In the book of Isaiah, it says there is no one righteous; not one. All have fallen short. But you don’t believe in God. You’re an atheist. So what’s left to believe in? Yourself?
The atheist acted as if he didn’t hear. “Have you noticed that humans are getting better?”
“Um, no, can’t say that I have.”
“Well, look, we have certainly evolved. We are much more civilized, than say, 400 years ago.”
“Does behaving better make one good?”
“Well, look here,” the atheist said, defensively. “There was a time when a man could kill another man and nobody cared. Everybody had guns.”
“We have more laws now because we are very capable of violence and depravity. Laws force people to keep themselves in check. It’s the laws, not human goodness. If humanity was getting better, how is it that the jails are overflowing and more are built all the time? What about the increase in school violence? Infanticide? Parricide?”
The atheist shook his head. “Who judges what is evil? By what measuring stick do you use?”
“But God doesn’t exist.”
“Then where did your sense of right and wrong come from?”
“Well, who gave you that?
“”It’s the result of evolution. Man has evolved to the point where he is now more civilized and ruled by his own conscience.”
“Then tell me, who gave you a heart?” the christian asked.
“It’s really very complicated to explain. But the consensus is that molecules and other organic matters burst somewhere in space and humans slowly evolved.”
“So, we’re really just a freak of nature?
“There is no intelligent designer?”
“Right. You learn fast,” the atheist said.
“So, what you’re saying is that all this organic stuff somehow resulted in human beings with organs, body parts, blood, cells, etc?”
“Well, um, its very complex, and even science doesn’t have all the answers, but we’re getting there.”
“Mormons tell us there are zillions of gods on other planets. What do you think about that?”
“They don’t know what they’re talking about,” the atheist said.
“They also believe we started out as spirit babies before we came to earth.”
“That’s crazy. Utter nonsense.”
“But your version of how life began makes more sense?”
“You believe in the Big Bang Theory.”
“Of course,” the atheist said with pride.
“Well, the Bible does mention the world began with something which could very well have been an explosion.”
“Genesis says that God spoke and the world came to be. A violent explosion could very well have taken place.”
“The bible is just a book of myths.”
“Can you prove it?”
“I don’t have to. The burden of proof falls on you.”
“That sounds like a cop-out,” the christian said. “Anyway, there’s evidence for it everywhere.”
“Many have been refuted.”
“Oh? Which ones?”
“”How did this conversation get turned around to religion anyway?”
“We can talk about politics if you want.”
“Yeah, that’s much better.” The atheist sounded relieved.
“What do you think of Mitt Romney?”
“Now, there’s an intelligent guy who knows what he’s talking about. I voted for him.”
“He believes in the existence of many gods and that if he proves himself to be worthy enough in this lifetime, he too could become a god someday.”
“What? Where did you hear such rubbish? Are you reading the National Enquirer?”
“He’s a Mormon.”
The atheist threw up his hands in resignation. “Religion, again!?
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